[QUOTE='ndboarder]If someone started saving a few years ago with plans to retire soon, they did it very, very, very wrong
[/QUOTE]This is what I meant. You would had had to have started at least 10 years ago, anyone since then, or in the last 2 years, you are just spinning your wheels. I got into stocks about 3 years, and while playing with penny stock for the fun of it, and having separate safe stocks set aside. Even my safe stock has completely flatlined. this year. Point I am making unless you got into it awhile back, there is no hope for anymore wanting to start now. Think about the next generation, you might as well forget about it because all their money to set aside will go for rent and food.